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Mr. Jim Farmer of Oxnard, California has been in the inspection business for over 30 years, since 1976, and has held every position on the Board of Directors of CREIA. Well known as an expert Witness, he shares his inspection philosophy and thoughts on the industry.
Note: Since the time of this interview below, we sadly report that our esteemed colleague Jim Farmer passed away on May 19, 2010. He was 74. Read More
Mr. Farmer currently belongs to the ASHI and CREIA trade associations, and has held every position on the Board of Directors of CREIA. Mr. Farmer said, âWhen you are a board member, if you are doing your job right, you get to see how different things affect the industry, and how those same things will affect you personally. You come to realize where the industry is heading, and who is trying to manipulate the industry, such as realtors.â
Mr. Farmer says that âthese manipulations usually create a negative influence. Home inspectors already have standards in place from organizations such as ASHI and CREIA, and many states that have licensing already use these standards.â
âThe manipulation of the industry that takes place does not help us protect the industry and the Client. Everyone involved in the sales process is there to make sure that the transaction closes. Inspectors are the Client (buyerâs) advocate. The Inspector has to be truthful and honest, and whether the client decides to buy or walk away has no bearing on his report.â
Regarding advertising your inspection business, Mr. Farmer says, âThe unfortunate part of looking at advertising to the consumer is that you canât afford much advertisement. You get referrals from REALTOR©, and many inspectors want to please the REALTOR©, so that they continue to get the referrals. Some of them do this, but not all of them. You can really only advertise to the REALTOR©. Theyâre the ones who refer us to the consumer
âMany inspectors tend to call a defect, and then write a justification for it, that doesnât prove to be correct. Sometimes this hurts the ability of the client to make an informed decision. For instance, an inspector might state that there are cracks in the foundation, but he didnât see any movement in the structureâŠâ
âBy doing this, they create liability for themselves, and possibly for the REALTOR©, as a negligent referral.
âA good computer program, such as 3D, will help tremendously in better spelling out the conditions of the property, and be more informative than check-off style reports. When you read check-off reports, they donât really tell you anything.
âAny good inspection software should help decrease your liability. Itâs so easy just to reach into your library of comments, and choose something that is informative.â Mr. Farmer provided an example related to heating ducts. He said, âWe might have some rigid fiberglass heating ducts. There is nothing wrong with them, but the American Medical Association says they may be a health risk, because you have moisture and dust in them where diseases can breed and grow. This type of statement lets them know that they should do some type of further investigation and/or remediation on this. If you use software, you could use comments that were right there, ready to go, that you might otherwise forget.â
INSPECTION PHILOSOPHIES
When asked to share with us some of his home inspection philosophies, Mr. Farmer said, âWhen you are on an inspection and you say âShould I report that?â--Â itâs a must! If there is a question in your mind, you need to spell it out and explain why you have concerns.
âIn California, we have disclosure laws. If you question whether you should, and you donât, it will come back to bite you. This should apply anywhere, whether or not you have the disclosure laws. First and foremost are safety issues, no matter what side of the state line you are on. You are not a code inspector, but the codes that are becoming standard in the ICC are the minimum standard for building a home. You need to know them, and judge the construction by these minimum requirements.
âIf you have done an inspection in the past, and you are still within the statute of limitations, and you are now doing a re-inspection, you should not be afraid to report additional findings. We arenât perfect, so we have to do the best job we can⊠Things out there may not have been as bad in the past as what you are finding now, but you have to take things into account, and report what you see.â
We asked Mr. Farmer, âWhatâs your opinion on errors and omissions insurance?â
âEven though itâs a target on your back, I have to have it. Every inspector should have it.â, he replied. âItâs a must in the industry. People believe that an inspector must have E&O insurance. However, itâs better to be a good inspector, than a bad one with E&O insurance. Insurance companies donât just roll over and pay out. Most times they force you to go into litigation to pay. A lot of times we are in a position where there is 30 days between when we inspect, and the person moves in. You would be surprised what can happen in 30 days. A dishwasher might work today, and tonight it could leak, just as a car could start today, and might not start tomorrow. We all know of a bumper sticker that says S_ _T happensâ. People sometimes take their old dishwasher and swap it with the one that was there when you inspected. Itâs amazing how many light bulbs blow when I flip the switch.â
Mr. Farmer tells us of a gentleman named Jeff Lunt who had a book that explains the above situation... âBetween the time of buying a home and the new people moving in, the house goes through a nervous breakdown.â
âI had an experience of a nice young English lady that bought a house, and the flapper valves in the toilet wouldnât work. It was an old toilet with a Colton Flapper that has a little water tray on the end, and the valves worked under normal operation. She would go up to the toilet, and hit it, and the Colton flapper would not have time to fill the water tray and the waste wouldnât flush. He had to have a plumber come in, and replace the Flapper valves with a much cheaper flapper for her.
âPeople slam doors, and door handles come off in their hands. With fireplaces, some people never used them. Some use it all winter long, and there can be problems if the clearances arenât right. It depends on peopleâs usage patterns.
âOne of my major inspection philosophies is that, hopefully, the one I did today, will be better than the one I did yesterday, and the one I do tomorrow will be better than the one that I did today..
âI inspect every property as if I was going to buy it. I look at it like, âDoes it satisfy me first?ââ I can be pretty fussy.
âMy hobby is the inspection business. I love to know the Court appellate decisions affecting our industry. You have to love education, and continue to learn.â
âCREIA the largest State Association and itâs Standards and Code of Ethics are recognized in California along with ASHIâs Standards and Code of Ethics, and ASHI is the oldest nationally recognized Association.â Both CREIA and ASHI have legally defensible Psychometrically Valid Test. Mr. Farmer said when asked about inspection associations. âThere are approximately 26 states that have some form of statutes that refer to ASHI standards.
âIn the state of California, we have instructions that say, âIn a court case, a judge may use the standards of practice of CREIA and ASHI, or any other nationally recognized organization. To date, only CREIA and ASHI are accepted, and not challenged by courts, and are used to demonstrate reasonable care in the state of California. In several states that have licensing, ASHI standards are mandated as the state standards to license home inspectors.â
Mr. Farmer shared his opinion on getting into the home inspection business as of March 2007:
âIn California, the inspection business is down, because real estate sales are down. This is just a correction. 90-95 was one of our worst corrections. We have increased a lot in the number of inspectors since that time. Itâs more difficult to come in now, because there are fewer jobs. Donât give up your day job yet, but as the population grows people have to have a place to live. The volume of home sales and inspectors will increase. Now is the time to learn and get your feet wet. You can do some inspections, so you have experience. Inspectors often say, âWhat the hell am I supposed to do?â when they go out on their first inspection. People take 10 years just to figure out how to use their microwave.
âWhen talking to your clients, at the end of the report you should engage your brain before opening your mouth. Think of what you are saying to people. You have dishwashers called âbuilders modelsâ. They are cheap. But if you say âYou have a cheap dishwasherâ, itâs not the best way to speak to your client. You should say âYou have an economy modelâ. You canât say things like âThis house is in the slumsâ. Itâs better in the long-term for them to purchase than to continue to rent.
âYou may go out and you have a bad shingle roof. You donât say âYour roof is shotâ. They think, âI donât have $10,000 to fix the roof!â You have to tell them that the roof is at the end of its life, and that they need to repair or replace it. You can let them know that they may be wasting their money on a repair, but it may give them another year or two before they have to come up with the money to replace it.
âThe final question, which every inspector should not answer, is âWould you buy this property?â You might say, âI donât know the price of the home, and I donât know your finances. Iâm here to tell you the condition of the property, and thatâs it.â
âI donât care whether the deal goes through or not, but I donât want to be an alarmist. I want them to make the decision as to whether or not to continue.
âI have also had people blame me for the deal not going through. People want to look around for someone they can blame the decision on.
âIn court, we hear this quite frequently. âThe inspector said I should have a specialist make a further evaluationâ They neglect to add âbefore the transfer of sale of this property or before the close of Escrowâ these are very important words. He didnât make it sound important enough to do it immediately. People donât buy using their mental capacity. They buy using their emotions. Even if you tell them something is wrong, they argue with you. People are looking for you to let them know that they would make a wise decision by buying this house. I donât like to discourage people, especially if they are renters, but Iâm not their financial advisor either.â
When asked his opinion on how a client can find a qualified inspector, Mr. Farmer suggested, âLook for a CREIA or ASHI inspector. Talk to the inspector. Find out what their education and experience is. The last question a client should ask an inspector should be, âhow much does it cost?â But that is usually the first question. The sweetness of low price doesnât last as long as the bitterness of poor quality. That applies to finding an inspector.
âIf people just want the lowest price, and they say, âI have someone thatâs $100 lessâ, my comment is, âWell, they know what theyâre worth.â If you have spent time and money on education, you have an investment in yourself that you need to recoup.
âSeveral years ago a survey was done of inspectors, to find out how much it costs to do business. When you walk out the door and turn the key in your ignition, you have already spent $125. One cost is E&O Insurance and then deductibles are $1,000 - $5,000 dollars before they will pay a dime. It depends on how much you want to pay up front.
âA lot of people coming into this business are thinking, âWow! I can make $200 for a few hours work!â But there are overhead expenses: your vehicles, insurance, and phone bill. You donât end up making as much as you think you would.â
Jim Farmer Jim Farmer Legal Support and Professional Witness Oxnard, CA
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